True Confessions

Brad Pitt is sitting due west of the back entrance of Musso & Frank’s restaurant in what we’ll charitably refer as an open-air smoker’s lounge—some dusty green plastic lawn chairs flanked by a couple of stringy potted plants. He drags on a Camel, occasionally flicking the ashes into a butt-filled canister, and takes in the landscape before him: a few dozen empty cars, three sweating valets and several crumbling Hollywood apartments. “Ahhhhh. This is nice,” Pitt says with a sigh.

The 31-year-old rubs his bristly goatee, which he’s been cultivating for next week’s pickup shots of Seven.

From the onset of his career, certain industry types have talked about Pitt’s moviestar glamour, about his possession of that certain X-factor that would make him more bankable than colleagues with better training or wider range. In Thelma & Louise, whenever his blue-eyed grifter popped into the frame, it was hard to look anywhere else. Since then, Pitt has perfected the art of screen entrances, like Legends of the Fall, where he established himself as the center of attention by simply galloping into view on horseback.

His feature-film debut, 1989’s Cutting Class, is, by Pitt’s own description, a “bad, bad teen-age horror film that would barely make it on late-night cable.” What he remembers most about his early work is his “gut reaction” to being groomed as that year’s delectable cutie-boy. “It just felt like a lie. I’d go to bed at night and not be able to sleep because it wasn’t…it wasn’t…it wasn’t true.” Then, along came Ridley Scott’s Thelma & Louise, Pitt’s first chance to show what he could do with the kind of charismatic outsiders he’d make his mark with.

What finally put him over the top was his headliner status in A River Runs Through It, Interview With the Vampire and Legends of the Fall. The irony is that Pitt has always been far more fun to watch in independent films or when he takes on eccentric supporting roles.

How audiences will respond to Pitt’s against-the-grain performance in the upcoming Twelve Monkeys is anyone’s guess. According to director Terry Gilliam, his frenzied performance was driven by many things, including the fact that Pitt had just been knighted “The Sexiest Man Alive” by People magazine. “[Brad] found that appalling and was running as far away from that as possible. It was like they were dismissing him as just a bit of beefcake. And it made him so determined to never be accused of that again.” Which probably goes a long way toward explaining why the actor has just agreed to a fugitive mountaineer in Seven Years in Tibet. (Or maybe it was the $8 million paycheck.)

Pitt is remarkably chatty, like Bruce Willis’ gift of a paper shredder (“he said, ‘You’re gonna need this, kid’”). In fact, the only time he seems skittish is when it comes to Gwyneth Paltrow, his 22-year-old girlfriend, who appears as his wife in Seven. Even then, he speaks of her often and animatedly—he just never utters her name. Instead, Pitt refers to Paltrow as “my girlfriend,” “she,” “my…you know…” or merely flutters his hand. At one point, Pitt stares down at his banged-up laced boots and announces that “she” thinks they are “dorky.” Then he goes on to explain how he and “[hand flutter]” are planning on cleaning his closet next weekend.

As his fame has risen, so has his popularity with wall-climbing fans, camera-lugging paparazzi and the tabloid press. Most of these encounters seem minor, pesky intrusions that come with being a celebrity. But in April, a professional lensman snapped photographs of Pitt and Paltrow frolicking in their birthdays suits while on vacation in St. Bart’s. And the man who once invited reporters into his L.A. home now has representatives leave complicated last-minute instructions about when to meet Pitt and where.

Give me the spin on Seven.
It’s a buddy picture! It’s a road picture! It’s, uh, I hate categorizing. [pauses] It’s a very straightforward film. But it’s very intelligent. It’s more reminiscent of something that I would have enjoyed in the ‘70s.

While filming Seven, you had an accident that was described as everything from a flesh wound to an amputation. Care to set the record straight?
It happened during a scene where I’m chasing the bad guy and traffic is jammed so I’m running across the hoods of cars. In the rain. [Laughs] I was trying to do-your-own-stunt thing. And I bit it. Hard. Basically, it was a matter of me trying to be cool and failing miserably. I slipped and went right through a car window. I wore a cast for the rest of the film. I did a lot of “pocket” acting. That means [he jumps up and turns sideways] you turn this way to the camera. Or you stow the cast in your pocket. You do a lot of this [puts left hand in pocket and gesticulates with the right].

What were you thinking as you went crashing through glass?
My first thought, being the sick, twisted actor that I am, was like: Oh, cool. I hope they got that! I was basically sitting back there, with the speakers and my legs coming out like I was in a bathtub. So I crawled out of the window, and it was there I got hurt, actually—I put my hand down on broken glass. Then I proceeded to chase the bad guy. And I was thinking, all the cooler right? [He shares a high five.] Then as I’m running down the street, I’m realizing, wow, there seems to be a large hole in my hand and blood seems to be coming out. I saw some bones and things that you are not supposed to see. Things meant to be in the interior of your hand.

I didn’t think much of it. I mean, I cut all these fingers here [points to a bumpy white scar that traverse most of the fingers of his left hand]. But I figured, you cut yourself, you heal. That’s basically what happens when you’re grown up, right? Then I showed [director] David Fincher, and I saw him just go white. So it put us out for a while. And that night it’s on “Hard Copy” with a shot of some random ambulance pulling in, and from the way they’re talking, it sounds like I cut my hand off.

They’re carrying 300-millimeter lenses so it looks like they’re right across the street, like they’re right next to you. The problem is that the laws have not kept up with technology. And if someone prints something that is untrue—“Brad Pitt smells bad”—I have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars proving that they were out to damage me. And that’s almost impossible. I understand where I’m sitting, and I expect every bit of it. But I wonder where the line is.

Not that long ago, you had tall trees planted in front of your house. Why?
I had a tour bus coming by every Sunday. I started lofting eggs at it. [Laughs] I thought that was fair. It’s kinda a cat-and-mouse game. [Pause] You know, I’ve always taken everything pretty lightly, until we had these nude photos come out. Since then, I’ve always been wondering about rights of privacy. They could shoot through my keyhole and and I wouldn’t even know it.

This seems like the perfect opportunity to discuss the, uh, St. Bart’s photos.
It was horrendous. We had been working very hard, so we went on one of the greatest vacations I’d ever had. A fantastic, fantastic trip…You know, I took all the precautions I could. We were in the most private place we could find. I mean, this man literally had to scale a mountain with his telescope on his back and end up on private property to get us like he did [laughs].

And I remember we were at my girlfriend’s apartment and we were getting ready to have breakfast with her father, who was on his way over. And we get this phone call from my best friend in the world, who is also my manager. But she wasn’t even able to tell me. She told my [hand flutters]—

We didn’t know what the photos were. And then, ding-dong! [nervous laugh] Who has to tell her father?

So what did Gwyneth tell him?
No, no. It was my responsibility. He was cool about it. He said: “Was anybody hurt? Anybody get sick? Well, then, OK.” This was after a good long period of silence, with his head buried in his palms. [Pause] He warned me before we left. And he was right.

What bothered you the most about this intrusion?
Listen, ultimately it doesn’t bother me. I mean, it all ends up in the litter box anyway. It does bother me that they take pictures of these private special moments—something that’s kinda sacred—and flash seminaked pictures of my girlfriend. I find that does not sit well with me. I see how it hurts her, you know? She wouldn’t be going through this if she wasn’t dating me. [Shrugs] but who really cares? I have one of the greatest jobs in the world, we see the country, our families are taken care of, what? I mean, there’s a trade-off. [Grins]

Retrace the experience of landing your first acting job.
The very first part I got was “Dallas”. At the time, I was living at an apartment in North Hollywood with eight guys, a two-bedroom apartment. Two guys in the back room, two guys in the front room, four guys crashed out in the main room. No furniture. We had all our little corners, with our little books stacked, our little clothes folded, our little sheets. We shared an answering machine. I got the part. I made a phone call to the folks. And basically just sat there and smiled.

Then you show up on the “Dallas” set. What was that like?
It was exciting-scary. That thrill. If I remember correctly, they kinda left me on my own. Like “OK, do your job…” And I was like [nervous stutter], “but-but-but. Wait a sec. I just for here from Missouri, see? You don’t understand” [laughs].

Then you drive home from your first day of work and…
There was that excitement, that lightness, just driving around in the car, looking at the city a little differently. And it’s becoming your city a little bit. [Pause] You know what? It’s not a bad thing that it’s changed in a sense. It’s still exciting when you read something that completely moves you. Or you get an opportunity to try something different. It’s just that as you get older, other things become more important. Like your family, your friends. Or maybe you just realize what’s most important. Because, uh…[moans] … I sound dumb.

I’m very fortunate [with my family]. It makes you feel like you have a base. It makes things much easier. As much as you hate to go crawling back home with your tail between your legs, at least you’ve got something to go back to.

How often do you go back to Missouri?
A few times a year. I’m starting to realize it’s almost another culture there.

It’s a simple outlook. You don’t complain. You know, you can buy fireworks there 365 days of the year. The pie is good—fresher, straightforward. I can run a mean troutline. That’s part of being a hillbilly!

When you were growing up, did people make fun of your last name?
No, actually! And I’m really open for that. It rhymes with some great four letters. [Laughs] I have to be careful what I name my boys.

So you want a family?
Ah, yes. Very much so. But not right away.

The best piece of advice I think I’ve ever gotten was from my dad. In our family, the rule was, never keep a soda can between your legs when you’re in the car. My father told us this wicked story about a man who was driving with a can between his legs and got into a bad car wreck. To this day, I cannot drive with a can between my legs. And I warn all my friends, too. I say “Don’t do that, man.” And they say, “Why?” And I say: “Because you could lose your uh-uh that way. I mean, seriously, man.”

The other day I was on the phone with him, and he goes: “What’s wrong with you? What’s wrong?” And I said: “Ah, you know. Just crap piling up.” And he goes, “Well, you picked a crap job.” [Laughs] I liked that.

Let’s move on to Twelve Monkeys. Terry Gilliam has said that you lobbied heavily for the part.
Yeah. It was something that I normally wouldn’t have been chosen for. And I understand that. People don’t know what you’re capable of until you prove it. So I met with him several times to try to get him to take a chance on me. And he did. And that was very cool of him, because he isn’t into the name game. It’s like, “I don’t care who you are, cheesy movie guy.” He wants what’s best. So he took a chance with me, and I appreciate that.

Let’s talk about the prank you initiated on the set of Twelve Monkeys’ on April Fool’s Day.
It had been a tough week, and it was one of those days where everyone was feeling the brunt of that. So Terry and I staged this little fake brawl—with pushing, shoving. I was surprised how much Terry got into it. [Laughs] Kinda scared me for a second. We started going at it, and you could just see everyone creep off. The circle surrounding us was getting wider and wider. And then this grizzly old man, the focus puller, jumped in and tried to break us up. It was like “F** you!” “Well, f** you!” “April Fooools’, suckers!”

You are known for being very critical of your own work. Do you control this emotion, or does it control you?
I think it’s measured, I really do. I have ideas, expectations, a vision of what could be. You want to give the best that you can, take it as far as you can take it. I don’t see that as a bad thing. I think the upside of that is that you are constantly re-evaluating. But I mean, What? Are you going to be a genius every other minute of your life? No! You’re going to be a loser, a moron, every other minute of your life. Some days you can get by, some days you’re hurting the story. If it really hurts the story, then I’m going to go to the director and say: “That’s dog s*, man. We gotta do it again.”

This one-more-take compulsion is one of the parallels that people have drawn between you and the James Le Gros character in Living in Oblivion. How did you react when you discovered that people believed that Le Gros was spoofing you?
People are going to say what they’re going to say. [Director] Tom DiCillo has flat-out told people that this was offered to me, that this was a chance for me to make fun of stuff. But [the film] started right after Interview, and the thought of getting in front of a camera again just made me want to pluck out my eyes with forks. [Pause] It sucks, it sucks. But what are going to do? People are going to make their assumptions. You know, they build you up, then look for things to…you know…Hey, I’m a nice guy, you know?

Twice this week you made the 11 o’clock news in New York.
Ah, are you going to be the harbinger of bad news? [Unhappily] Lay it on me.

A late-breaking report that informed us that Gwyneth is not pregnant.
[Snorts] There are these people so hurting for something that they’ll take a photo of my hand on her stomach, and from there they’ll create a story that she’s pregnant. That’s what they did. Someone just told me that there was this [report] that I was donating my sperm to Melissa Etheridge. [Laughs] Like I provide starter kits for other families! Then, last week, they printed that Gwyneth had barred this from ever happening again. So I called Melissa and said that I would no longer be showing up with my Dixie cup. [Shakes head] It’s truly amazing.

Hey, you just said Gwyneth’s name! Is it time to talk about her?
I don’t want to, you know? Somehow or another, it always gets turned into a cliché: dating the co-star. Again, I understand, it’s fine. But think I’ve already talked about her too much.

As long as we’re on the subject of your admirers, let’s talk about Courtney Love. She reportedly said she received a valentine from you.
Yeah, well, I have no idea what that was about. Maybe she was referring to someone else. I’ve, uh, hung out with Courtney only once and talked to her a few times on the phone. I enjoy her very much. But once again, this was someone assuming something. Forbid that people will be friends, you know? [Pause] I just hope that [Love’s daughter Frances Bean] gets the best, you know?

When fans approach you, what do you think they expect from you?
Are we talking about the boyfriends? Or the girlfriends? [Laughs] I don’t think they expect me to get on horseback and do a couple of loops. They expect a little time, a little respect. That’s fair enough. Sometimes they expect a kiss. Sometimes people show up at my home and I don’t know what they expect me to do. Invite them in for coffee? I don’t get that, I really don’t…

Given your experience of the last several years, what is the ideal amount of time to be a teen idol?
Seven minutes. It’s a little bit more than five minutes but a lot less than ten.

This article has been edited for girlsspeakgeek.com. The complete story appeared in US magazine Oct.1995.

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